Hi all, I decided to post this topic in the hopes that we can all have a place to have freindly debates without anyone getting mad or thinking that this is meant to be confrontational. I know that some people tend to get mad or offended, but that is not the purpose for this topic. Just looking for something that I can sink my teeth into and that will challenge my feeble brain, lol. So who wants to be the first to give me a freindly debate? For crying out loud will someone PLEASE post something that we can all debate about without getting confontational? Is anyone brave enough to take this freindly challenge? Can anyone stimulate my brain as well as my intelect? (probably won't take much to stimulate my intelect, lol)

Be advised that anyone that tries to take it BEYOND freindly will not be welcomed. This topic was posted for the sole purpose of entertainment and freindly terms. So please remember that.

Not to be a naysayer or to be "unfriendly", but I sincerely doubt a serious debate would work on here without someone getting offended or taking it the wrong way or whatever. I wish you luck, cuba.

Having said that...here's a topic for you.
Why do psychics only get bits of information? Because that's all they are given to know or they are full of bs? What other reason?

I don't quite know what to think of psychics. I think that a good amount of them are full of bull, but that a few are gifted in some way. Why they are gifted, and by whom they are allowed to get their information from, I do not know. I hold a good amount of curiosity about them, but I would not trust them wholeheartedly (by any means).

cuba, good luck,lol. I hope this works for you but I have to agree with Jeter. This will probably turn into a big fight. Let's hope no though.

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Originally posted by laleycole:
I don't quite know what to think of psychics. I think that a good amount of them are full of bull, but that a few are gifted in some way. Why they are gifted, and by whom they are allowed to get their information from, I do not know. I hold a good amount of curiosity about them, but I would not trust them wholeheartedly (by any means).

I hope noone minds me posting some information a have on being gifted? Its what I believe as in being gifted ,the pros and cons of it.Gifts Differ based on the indivual and its porpuse.
1 CORINTHIANS 12:11 "But one and the same Spirit works all these things,
distributing to each one individually as He wills."
GIFTS ARE FOR ETERNITY, NEVER TO BE RECALLED.
ROMANS 11:29 "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
The Bible Talks about Visions and Dreams. From the very beginning God communicated with man in ways man could understand.
The means God used were:
1. SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO HIM:
DEUTERONOMY 1:6 "The LORD our God spoke to us in Horeb, saying:..."
JOSHUA 1:1 "After the death of Moses the servant of the LORD, it came to
pass that the LORD spoke to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' assistant,...."

2. SPEAKING TO MAN THROUGH ANGELS:
JUDGES 2:1 Then the Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and
said: "I led you up from Egypt "

3.SPEAKING THROUGH PROPHETS:
LUKE 1:70 "...as He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets, who have been
since the world began,..."

GOD ALSO SPOKE THROUGH DREAMS AND VISIONS.

1. DREAMS:
Dreams are a sequence of thoughts and fancies occuring during sleep. When
God communicated through a dream, the thoughts
and fancies were what God determined they should be.

2. VISIONS:
Visions brought on by God are supernatural appearances of whatever God wants
you to see."

VISIONS ARE VERY REALISTIC.
ACTS 12:8,9. "Then the angel said to him, "Gird yourself and tie on your
sandals"; and so he did. And he said to him, "Put on your garment and follow
me." So he went out and followed him, and did not know that what was done
by the angel was real, but thought he was seeing a vision."
(Peter had experiences with visions. Visions must be very realistic or
Peter would have known whether this was a vision or was actually happening.)


GOD USED VISIONS TO GIVE MESSAGES AND TO REVEAL HIS WILL.
ACTS 9:10 "Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and
to him the Lord said in a vision, "Ananias." And he said, "Here I am, Lord."
ACTS 10:3 "About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an
angel of God coming in and saying to him, "Cornelius!"
ACTS 16:9 "And a vision appeared to Paul in the night. A man of Macedonia
stood and pleaded with him, saying, "Come over to Macedonia and help us."

AT TIMES VISIONS AND DREAMS NEED INTERPRETATIONS.
GENESIS 40:8 "And they said to him, "We each have dreamed a dream, and
there is no interpreter of it." And Joseph said to them, "Do not
interpretations belong to God? Tell them to me, please."
ACTS 10:17 "Now while Peter wondered within himself what this vision which
he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made
inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate...."

DANIEL SAW HIMSELF IN A VISION.
Daniel 8:2 "I saw in the vision, and it so happened while I was looking,
that I was in Shushan, the citadel, which is in the province of Elam; and I
saw in the vision that I was by the River.

BEWARE! ALL DREAMS AND VISIONS ARE NOT OF GOD. I say this because evil will take advantage and foul us,confuse and use us for his purpose.JEREMIAH 14:14 "And the LORD said to me, "The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they
prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the
deceit of their heart".
JEREMIAH 23:16 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: "Do not listen to the words of
the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; they speak a
vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the LORD."
LAMENTATIONS 2:14 "Your prophets have seen for you false and deceptive
visions;..."
ZECHARIAH 10: "For the idols speak delusion; the diviners envision lies,
and tell false dreams;...."

HOW CAN WE TELL A VISION OR DREAM GIVEN BY GOD FROM A FALSE VISION OR DREAM?
1). Pray for discernment. The ability to tell the true from the false.
2). Use your knowledge of the Bible. For example: In Deuteronomy ch.15 we
are told God is a jealous God who is not willing to share His glory and
honor with anyone else. Now suppose a vision of some dead saint appears.
You would now know you are not to worship him/her, only God.


REMEMBER, THE DEVIL IS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT WHO DECEIVES AND MISLEADS PEOPLE.
2 CORINTHIANS 11:14 "And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself
into an angel of light" (people tend to expect evil to be scary,ugly,bad..but evil can be what you want to see to decieve you)

DREAMS AND VISIONS WILL AGAIN BE WITH US IN TIME.
ACTS 2:17 "'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I
will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream
dreams."

I hope this helps or clears any doubts..

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Originally posted by luvsjeter:
Not to be a naysayer or to be "unfriendly", but I sincerely doubt a serious debate would work on here without someone getting offended or taking it the wrong way or whatever. I wish you luck, cuba.

Having said that...here's a topic for you.
Why do psychics only get bits of information? Because that's all they are given to know or they are full of bs? What other reason?

All I can say is only a true psychic can answer this..I Know that there are many false ,fake what ever you want to call it out there that are full of BS. The few that do have the ability is based on what is the ability and what purpose does it have? I hope someone who is a psychic can answer this for us?

Thanks

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Originally posted by luvsjeter:
Not to be a naysayer or to be "unfriendly", but I sincerely doubt a serious debate would work on here without someone getting offended or taking it the wrong way or whatever. I wish you luck, cuba.

Having said that...here's a topic for you.
Why do psychics only get bits of information? Because that's all they are given to know or they are full of bs? What other reason?

I know you're both right Luvsjeter and Stillrecovering, but I have decided to take a chance in the hopes that we can all behave as adults and we need to remeber the fact that this a forum, we are all entitled to an opinion no matter what it may be. We each have the right to speak our minds and that is one thing that some have lost sight of. It is something that Twentyskillz was trying to point out under the topic Ghost Wolf and i'd like to congratulate her for posting the words that she did. Take a bow Twenty, cause you deserve it!

Having said that, I would like to remind everyone that this topic was posted for the purpose of freindly fun debates ONLY. If anyone feels that they can not do that then please ignore this topic. So let's have a little fun on this topic, we need to remember what this forum was like and make it a place where we can ALL enjoy our time here. Thank you all for your attention.

Hi Cuba!!

I know what you mean and also agree with you. I have a question since this topic is for fun..what should be said here? Can you start since you created the post? Can we post about funny events or bloopers that has happen on in vestigations,etc or even scaring someone?LOL
I dont know Im just suggesting

Thanks

As far as the psychic thing, well I have to say that their are a handfull of them that are real and will get the info right, BUT then we have the charlatans that are definately full of bs! These are the ones that scam people out of their hard earned money and can't even get one thing right without ascking questions such as, Did you're father die recently? and when you tell them no they ask something like, But someone in your family has died recently, right? and then find an excuse to cover up the fact that they have NO idea what they're talking about. I had a freind who spent a small fortune to seek out the advice of a telephone psychic only to be told all the things we love to hear, but the funny part was that none of it came true! This all happened 15 years ago and she's still waiting for the predictions to come true, lol.

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Originally posted by da_observer:
Hi Cuba!!

I know what you mean and also agree with you. I have a question since this topic is for fun..what should be said here? Can you start since you created the post? Can we post about funny events or bloopers that has happen on in vestigations,etc or even scaring someone?LOL
I dont know Im just suggesting

Thanks

You can post anything you'd like and we all debate over it. It doesn't have to be about one thing, it can be about any subject at all. So post anything you would like to start a debate about, and thanks for participating.

So far, I have to say, this hasn't been a debate at all, just expressed opinions on psychics in general. In a debate you take two sides, which I gave <why do psychics get just bits of info..because it's all they are given or because they are full of bs> and you pick one or the other. I liked da_observer's post because it not only gave an answer, but also the proof to back it up, but even she took both sides.

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I think, on a forum, the second definition is the right one. Maybe I'm being too technical, but if we are just putting our opinions about a topic, then, that's what we do on all the topics when allowed to and not being accused of being harrassing or a bully.

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Originally posted by luvsjeter:
So far, I have to say, this hasn't been a debate at all, just expressed opinions on psychics in general. In a debate you take two sides, which I gave <why do psychics get just bits of info..because it's all they are given or because they are full of bs> and you pick one or the other. I liked da_observer's post because it not only gave an answer, but also the proof to back it up, but even she took both sides.

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I think, on a forum, the second definition is the right one. Maybe I'm being too technical, but if we are just putting our opinions about a topic, then, that's what we do on all the topics when allowed to and not being accused of being harrassing or a bully.

Right again as ussual Jeter! As far as being too technical, no you're not so chill, i'm not going to bug out about it. I told you once, I love the way your mind works. As far as why they only give a bit of info, in my opinion it is because more then likely they are full of bs. But i'm doing a little reaserch on this subject so that I can have a better understanding of this and why it may or may not be. Give me a little more time to get better prepared to have a more informative response.

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Originally posted by luvsjeter:
So far, I have to say, this hasn't been a debate at all, just expressed opinions on psychics in general. In a debate you take two sides, which I gave <why do psychics get just bits of info..because it's all they are given or because they are full of bs> and you pick one or the other. I liked da_observer's post because it not only gave an answer, but also the proof to back it up, but even she took both sides.

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debate[1,noun]debate[2,verb]

Main Entry: 1de·bate
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: a contention by words or arguments: as a : the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b : a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides

I think, on a forum, the second definition is the right one. Maybe I'm being too technical, but if we are just putting our opinions about a topic, then, that's what we do on all the topics when allowed to and not being accused of being harrassing or a bully.

oh? I didnt know we where to pick sides? In that case based on <why do psychics get just bits of info..because it's all they are given or because they are full of bs> In reference to a real psychic its Because its all they are given.



Thanks

da_observer.

Jeter <--- was and is "chilled".

I figure the reason psychics give only a little bit of info is because they are either full of it or because the d*vil is feeding them just enough to get their subject <person> off track of God's plan.
For example, if God means for me to continue nursing and I happen to talk to a psychic, on a day when I'm not feeling really happy in my job, who says.."you're going to change career paths"...well, there I go, hoping for new career. I'll probably start looking at going to school, getting a different job, what have you. BUT, the psychic didn't tell me WHAT career path or WHY I would be changing. Why is that? Because it doesn't matter to the d*vil. All he cares about is that I'm turning my back on God's will.

That's what I think. <nods>

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Originally posted by luvsjeter:
Jeter <--- was and is "chilled".

That is a very good point that you have made and I will have to work alot harder to come up with a better response! That sharp mind of yours is leaving me in the dust, you're wipping up the floor with me, lol. I salute you! <saluting Jeter smartly>

Inda, I have a question.
Why does it have to be a friendly debate?

Suppose I passionately wrote why I didn't believe in psychics and Rebecca (for instance) posted, just as passionately, why psychics do exist. Now a heated discussion can begin because we both have very strong feelings, beliefs, knowledge, and opinions on the subject.

What would be the consequences?
Would I be told to "calm down" and "she's not worth it"? And then feeling foolish, delete my posts as I usually do and as I did with Arnot. (I let her get the last word in, even though her postings made me look like an idiot.)

<lowering head at jeter and shaking it...I know, I know>

I have nothing against Rebecca, this is just an example. And btw-Before and in between my tears to Rmontanez, I have been posting about psychics on the "Family Gift" topic. That was the original topic.

So what do we do with our passionate beliefs?
Not post them because we may come off as confrontational? That's really not much of a debate. I think a "friendly debate" just might be an oxymoron. I think what you really want on this topic is a friendly exchange of ideas.

Suppose a member that practices voodoo (or the other name, sounds like sangria, I think, and originated in Africa. You know the one I mean, because I know you're so against it) came on this topic and started discussing their religion and how wonderful it is, extolling the virtues, et al.
How would you reply to that person?
Say you were a born-again Christian. Would you just say "Good to know. Thanks for informing me, I'm really glad you shared that with us! "
But remember in this instance, you're a strong Christian. Wouldn't you tell that person your beliefs and why you disagree with that member? (A heated discussion would definitely begin, because it's about religion.)

That is what a debate is, and it's something this forum has gotten away from.

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Why is that? Because it doesn't matter to the d*vil. All he cares about is that I'm turning my back on God's will.

Jeter, you come up with the best points. They're creepy, but really good.

Debates that are passionate and heated can still be friendly debates as long as they remain debates. Once they shift to name calling and attacking is when it gets ugly. Having said that...

Jeter, I bow to you. You have put to paper my thoughts and feelings so well.

da_observer, thank you so much for not being afraid of quoting scripture.

At church tonite, we sort of touched on this subject. What is in our heads, whether we are psychic or just plain regular people more often then not comes form S*tan. He will always do his best to turn us in his direction. And yes, I think there are people out there that do have some abilities. But are they G*od given? I don't think so. They are given just enough info to make us listen a little closer and take a few more steps away from the Good Book.
Before anyone freaks, this is just my opinion. I am not saying if my way of thinking is right or wrong, it is just how I am.

Ok, once again this im my goodbye and this topic is up for grabs. Post ANYTHING you like here, no one will get angry or criticize you for posting anything you like.

Cuba