Junior Member
Registered: 01-06-08
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Come on man, I count on you to be adventurous, and I expect to be a little grossed out, or I wouldn't watch your show, but the beating heart did it. That crossed the line. I have no problems with eating dead animals, but the deliberate cruelty and flaunting of our dominance over other animals is beyond even the low standards of your show. I applaud your adventurousness, but I have to express anger and disgust at this latest outrage. I would expect you to have enough class, as a renowned chef, to decline to participate in what amounts to vivisection. I'm disappointed and now an ex-viewer. The fratboy level grossout factor is getting pretty juvenile now. Grow up and go cook some decent food, and show people how to be and how to eat.
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Junior Member
Registered: 01-06-08
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Are you being serious? You are up-in-arms because of a frog? Wow. I might agree with you if the beating heart was extracted from a dog, but a frog? C'mon...that is so ridiculous. Frogs are like insects...they are low on the food chain for a reason. They are like baitfish. I wonder, do you get all upset when you see an angler bait his hook with a worm or an anchovy? Also, did you miss the episode where he ate the beating heart of the snake? Lighten up and choose your battles. It's a damn frog...not a puppy.
In conclusion, let me remind you that a large part of this show is to immerse oneself in the culture and lifestyles of the native peoples in which he vists and interacts. If you are writing off Zimmern for taking part in something that is truly culinary culture, then you might as well write-off the people and region where this took place. In fact, lock yourself in your basement and leave the rest of us open-minded people alone!
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Registered: 01-06-08
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Actually, there is a serious issue to discuss here, and that's the consumption of wildlife that Mr. Zimmer, and to a lesser extent Tony Bourdain, seem to be encouraging. In many parts of the world the over-consumption of such animals insect-eating bats (same show) and frogs have caused pest control issues. The consumption of fruit bats, (which are important pollinators in many tropical system) have been made technically illegal in many parts of southeast Asia. It's irresponsible for Zimmer, in his quest for our vicarious cheap thrills and on- camera gross outs, to be in the business of encouraging travelers to partake of these and other unsustainable practices. I'm wondering just how far he's willing to go when it comes to eating "bushmeat"...how about a trip to the Congo to eat chimps (source of Ebola virus) or to China to eat civet cats (the source of SARS).
By the way, Andrew, bats are not rodents. At least do a bit of research ahead of time about the wildlife you're consuming, O.K.?
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Junior Member
Registered: 02-18-08
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jbarizona, I doubt your "open mind" would entertain the thought of YOU jumping on the menu when AZ makes his rounds at the cannibal cultures. From your perch on the food-chain, you safely distinguish yourself from the bugs, worms, and frogs of the world. (As a nurse, I have seen bacteria even the score). You rationalize the torture of other lives as though being tortured is their birthright and enjoying torture (as long as you call it something like 'lifestyle practices of native peoples') is yours. An open mind is an empty void when it is not balanced by the truth of open eyes and the empathy of an open heart.
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Junior Member
Registered: 02-18-08
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I found this episode (my first time watching) very disturbing. I happen to love frogs - even stop on the road to make sure they don't get run over. Actually create cool places on my property for them to hide from the sun in the summer.
To rip the skin off a live frog and eat it's heart tells me something about this show - the producers and the so called star of the show -- totally "heartless".
I am guessing this is a guy show and adolescent teens really enjoy this sort of humor. Assuming you will take responsibility when one of them takes the concept out of context and skills his next girlfriend to see if beauty is really only skin deep !
When will we bring back the lions to eat people in the arena for crimes committed.
If gross rating was your goal -- you have succeeded.
This show could have been more educational and positive without the brutal killing of animals to get ?? WHAT ??
And for nothing - Andrew is not looking in the best of shape so obviously the efforts to kill and devour the exotic animals is not as healthy as he would have us to believe. It also has not yielded him a full head of hair... Sad. I will not be watching this show again.
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Junior Member
Registered: 04-12-09
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jbarizona, seriously, where do you draw the line for when it is ok to skin something alive and rip out its heart? Frogs are not at the bottom of the food chain but extremely important predators and imperiled world wide due to habitat loss, capture for the pet trade, and disease.
BTW I am NOT a vegetarian, AM open minded and well traveled and do not support how this show conveniently ignores the serious conservation issued associated with traditional delicacies that have not food value but just a status value.
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Junior Member
Registered: 04-13-09
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Frogs, dogs, cats, people...pulling a beating heart from a creature is completely wrong. His bulbous arogance toward all animals is absolutely unacceptable. quote: Originally posted by jbarizona: Are you being serious? You are up-in-arms because of a frog? Wow. I might agree with you if the beating heart was extracted from a dog, but a frog? C'mon...that is so ridiculous. Frogs are like insects...they are low on the food chain for a reason. They are like baitfish. I wonder, do you get all upset when you see an angler bait his hook with a worm or an anchovy? Also, did you miss the episode where he ate the beating heart of the snake? Lighten up and choose your battles. It's a damn frog...not a puppy.
In conclusion, let me remind you that a large part of this show is to immerse oneself in the culture and lifestyles of the native peoples in which he vists and interacts. If you are writing off Zimmern for taking part in something that is truly culinary culture, then you might as well write-off the people and region where this took place. In fact, lock yourself in your basement and leave the rest of us open-minded people alone!
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Junior Member
Registered: 04-13-09
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Bravo! We can't keep tolerating animal cruelty for the sake of cheap thrills. His kind of juvenile kicks are fine as long as he doesn't torture, mutilate or eliminate a specis. Hacking out a creature's entrails and grilling them is absolutely barbaric and insulting. Knock it off. quote: Originally posted by ignatzh: Actually, there is a serious issue to discuss here, and that's the consumption of wildlife that Mr. Zimmer, and to a lesser extent Tony Bourdain, seem to be encouraging. In many parts of the world the over-consumption of such animals insect-eating bats (same show) and frogs have caused pest control issues. The consumption of fruit bats, (which are important pollinators in many tropical system) have been made technically illegal in many parts of southeast Asia. It's irresponsible for Zimmer, in his quest for our vicarious cheap thrills and on- camera gross outs, to be in the business of encouraging travelers to partake of these and other unsustainable practices. I'm wondering just how far he's willing to go when it comes to eating "bushmeat"...how about a trip to the Congo to eat chimps (source of Ebola virus) or to China to eat civet cats (the source of SARS).
By the way, Andrew, bats are not rodents. At least do a bit of research ahead of time about the wildlife you're consuming, O.K.?
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Senior Member
Registered: 03-16-09
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once an organ or anything else has been extracted it don't matter what animal its from it cant feel it so how is that cruel besides you cant go telling someone thats offering you what they consider one of the best parts that its wrong or discusting. would you hippies feel better if he cooked it. then it wouldn't be as fresh. who cares if its a frog, dog, deer, fish, cry me a river and breed frogs in it. if a person dont eat it alive another animal will and what is it with everyone saying top of the food chain alot of places in the world we are not the top some places we are probably not even the top five. but while everyone is cring think about darwin survival of the fittest. circle of life worms will eat us all. dont you people have pro life rallys or phish concerts to go to. dont weaving hemp make your hands to tired cry on your pc. dry your tears and open your minds. and countries you would not expect do things like this when i was younger i went deer hunting with one of my friends from canada and his dad and brother, my friend shot his first deer and it was thier tradition that when you shoot your first while you field dress it you drink a cup of its blood and take a bite of its heart, somthing about life or spirit of the beast i dont really know i was only 12 and trying not to watch but they said the faster you get to it and collect and drink the blood the easier it goes down because the warmer it is the less it clots. but i dont think the heart was beating because when you shoot one you have to track it because it runs a good way even if it is a good shot with a thick trail. when i shot my first one i didn't do that because i think that is discusting but to each his own. com on live a little
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Junior Member
Registered: 06-23-09
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I personally am on the side of jbarizona..It's 1 frog, and the show is about getting to know the culture and foods of the natives...That is a food..and yes..it may have been a beating heart, but big deal..Instead of getting all worked up over a frog heart shouldn't you be doing something productive like trying to reduce the crime in your neighborhoods or saving the whales?
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Junior Member
Registered: 06-23-09
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quote: Originally posted by william nilly: once an organ or anything else has been extracted it don't matter what animal its from it cant feel it so how is that cruel besides you cant go telling someone thats offering you what they consider one of the best parts that its wrong or discusting. would you hippies feel better if he cooked it. then it wouldn't be as fresh. who cares if its a frog, dog, deer, fish, cry me a river and breed frogs in it. if a person dont eat it alive another animal will and what is it with everyone saying top of the food chain alot of places in the world we are not the top some places we are probably not even the top five. but while everyone is cring think about darwin survival of the fittest. circle of life worms will eat us all. dont you people have pro life rallys or phish concerts to go to. dont weaving hemp make your hands to tired cry on your pc. dry your tears and open your minds. and countries you would not expect do things like this when i was younger i went deer hunting with one of my friends from canada and his dad and brother, my friend shot his first deer and it was thier tradition that when you shoot your first while you field dress it you drink a cup of its blood and take a bite of its heart, somthing about life or spirit of the beast i dont really know i was only 12 and trying not to watch but they said the faster you get to it and collect and drink the blood the easier it goes down because the warmer it is the less it clots. but i dont think the heart was beating because when you shoot one you have to track it because it runs a good way even if it is a good shot with a thick trail. when i shot my first one i didn't do that because i think that is discusting but to each his own. com on live a little
You sir are in ignorant person, animals can feel, why do you think dogs yelp when you hit them or even accidentally step on their paws?Why do lobsters make high-pitched squeels when you put them in boiling water?Cause it hurts...
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Member
Registered: 06-28-09
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animals may well be able to fear and feel pain. i just (briefly) glance at an article that spoke of a 'break through' finding that lobster feel the pain of being boiled. these people have their own beliefs of treating animals the way they do from a much longer history of eating them for sustainability than the 'frat boy antic' description. i guess your views can extend to wars that do not suffer death, and prisons that do not deprive. careful of the white-glove ruler you ask for, in appeasing the rights of the few you may be offering some of your own freedoms or rights to be sacrificed.
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Registered: 08-20-09
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I THINK WHAT YOU ALL ARE FAILING TO SEE IS ITS NOT REALLY A.Z. ITS THE PEOPLE WHOS COUNTRY HE IS VISTING! THEY DO THAT EVEN IF NO ONE IS WATCHING.. AND THEY DID IT TO A SNAKE TOO BUT NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE SNAKE BECAUSE ITS A SNAKE. I OWN 2 SNAKES AND LOVE THEM VERY MUCH BUT DIDENT FREAK OUT WHEN I SEEN A.Z EAT ITS BEATING HEART. YOUR MISSING THE PONT OF THE SHOW. LIGHTEN UP!
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Junior Member
Registered: 08-26-09
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i wish they would not have so many shows about bizarre foods.. would like to see more destinations, such as the show with Samantha Brown, rather than how to get my stomach revolted..
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