I just feel the need to point out how some people claim they love the 'paranormal' aspects of the show...but then when I call out Zak's unethical behavior people then say "its not about the paranormal, it's about entertainment".

Which is it? Are you watching for entertainment only? Because, unless you've done a paranormal investigation you wouldn't really know if they were making technical errors or not...

Hmmm maybe those of us who have done investigations should point out the differences between what Zak does and what we do and try to explain why it's different.

It's starting to get a little frustrating how people just assuming that the only people they're going to find on a message board are people who 100% love the show and that invariably there's going to be at least one person who doesn't agree. I mean how boring would this place be if it was just a bunch of "we love zak" people???

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Hmmm maybe those of us who have done investigations should point out the differences between what Zak does and what we do and try to explain why it's different.

I laughed when I read this wllstl because when the team was at Bobby Mackeys I was just having fits about how Zak was talking to the spirits and his crew and I was yelling at the tv about they shouldn't do that and he's just asking for trouble, he's going to get hurt, thats not how my group does it like they could really hear me and it donned on me that I sounded just like my husband when he is watching football and yelling at the referee or the team. LOL Seriously though I would think it would be hard to justify an opinion on something that you've never done before based off of a tv show. Trying to explain how groups or people do investigations differently would probably just be interpreted by some people as saying your way was the right way and the others were wrong. I understand where you are coming from and agree, but I have actually approached investigations differently - depending on the situation and found success with different ways so I can't say one way is actually better than the other. It goes without saying that most of us feel Zak should not taunt or insult ghosts but he's going to so it's his face that will get slapped or his back that will scratched, not mine.

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Originally posted by wllstl:
I just feel the need to point out how some people claim they love the 'paranormal' aspects of the show...but then when I call out Zak's unethical behavior people then say "its not about the paranormal, it's about entertainment".

Which is it? Are you watching for entertainment only? Because, unless you've done a paranormal investigation you wouldn't really know if they were making technical errors or not...

Hmmm maybe those of us who have done investigations should point out the differences between what Zak does and what we do and try to explain why it's different.

It's starting to get a little frustrating how people just assuming that the only people they're going to find on a message board are people who 100% love the show and that invariably there's going to be at least one person who doesn't agree. I mean how boring would this place be if it was just a bunch of "we love zak" people???

Do you believe that GA has captured any actual paranormal activity or is eveything we have seen been fake because that is not the way you would do an investigation? If you do believe in some of their evidence, then why is their way wrong and everyone else's right? If everything we have seen evidence wise is real (I'm not talking about EVP's--those are not reliable evidence in my opinion) then how can their way of investigating be so wrong? They have said from the very beginning that they are there to document proof of the paranormal and I believe that they have accomplished that goal.

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Originally posted by mbh:

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Originally posted by wllstl:
I just feel the need to point out how some people claim they love the 'paranormal' aspects of the show...but then when I call out Zak's unethical behavior people then say "its not about the paranormal, it's about entertainment".

Which is it? Are you watching for entertainment only? Because, unless you've done a paranormal investigation you wouldn't really know if they were making technical errors or not...

Hmmm maybe those of us who have done investigations should point out the differences between what Zak does and what we do and try to explain why it's different.

It's starting to get a little frustrating how people just assuming that the only people they're going to find on a message board are people who 100% love the show and that invariably there's going to be at least one person who doesn't agree. I mean how boring would this place be if it was just a bunch of "we love zak" people???

Do you believe that GA has captured any actual paranormal activity or is eveything we have seen been fake because that is not the way you would do an investigation? If you do believe in some of their evidence, then why is their way wrong and everyone else's right? If everything we have seen evidence wise is real (I'm not talking about EVP's--those are not reliable evidence in my opinion) then how can their way of investigating be so wrong? They have said from the very beginning that they are there to document proof of the paranormal and I believe that they have accomplished that goal.

every time I encounter something on my investigations that I think could be paranormal I always have to prove it was caused by something else first.

I don't always assume that everything i see is paranormal...

wllstl...
As you well know not everyone is ever going to agree so why do you think that all of us that like show will like it for the same reasons?

And of course there will always be a person who is on the negative side of something. I'm glad most of your comments are not childish and usally contain some kind of advice. You represent the kind of negative person I don't mind as much. I just think it's funny that it bothers you so much yet you persist.

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Originally posted by wllstl:

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Originally posted by mbh:

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Originally posted by wllstl:
I just feel the need to point out how some people claim they love the 'paranormal' aspects of the show...but then when I call out Zak's unethical behavior people then say "its not about the paranormal, it's about entertainment".

Which is it? Are you watching for entertainment only? Because, unless you've done a paranormal investigation you wouldn't really know if they were making technical errors or not...

Hmmm maybe those of us who have done investigations should point out the differences between what Zak does and what we do and try to explain why it's different.

It's starting to get a little frustrating how people just assuming that the only people they're going to find on a message board are people who 100% love the show and that invariably there's going to be at least one person who doesn't agree. I mean how boring would this place be if it was just a bunch of "we love zak" people???

Do you believe that GA has captured any actual paranormal activity or is eveything we have seen been fake because that is not the way you would do an investigation? If you do believe in some of their evidence, then why is their way wrong and everyone else's right? If everything we have seen evidence wise is real (I'm not talking about EVP's--those are not reliable evidence in my opinion) then how can their way of investigating be so wrong? They have said from the very beginning that they are there to document proof of the paranormal and I believe that they have accomplished that goal.

every time I encounter something on my investigations that I think could be paranormal I always have to prove it was caused by something else first.

I don't always assume that everything i see is paranormal...

Has there been anything you have seen so far that made you think maybe they caught the real thing? I'm talking about the show not your investigations. I sure you would debunk something to death before you would admit it was paranormal, LOL! I'm not trying to beat a dead horse just trying to get an answer.

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Originally posted by wllstl:

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Originally posted by mbh:

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Originally posted by wllstl:
I just feel the need to point out how some people claim they love the 'paranormal' aspects of the show...but then when I call out Zak's unethical behavior people then say "its not about the paranormal, it's about entertainment".

Which is it? Are you watching for entertainment only? Because, unless you've done a paranormal investigation you wouldn't really know if they were making technical errors or not...

Hmmm maybe those of us who have done investigations should point out the differences between what Zak does and what we do and try to explain why it's different.

It's starting to get a little frustrating how people just assuming that the only people they're going to find on a message board are people who 100% love the show and that invariably there's going to be at least one person who doesn't agree. I mean how boring would this place be if it was just a bunch of "we love zak" people???

Do you believe that GA has captured any actual paranormal activity or is eveything we have seen been fake because that is not the way you would do an investigation? If you do believe in some of their evidence, then why is their way wrong and everyone else's right? If everything we have seen evidence wise is real (I'm not talking about EVP's--those are not reliable evidence in my opinion) then how can their way of investigating be so wrong? They have said from the very beginning that they are there to document proof of the paranormal and I believe that they have accomplished that goal.

every time I encounter something on my investigations that I think could be paranormal I always have to prove it was caused by something else first.

I don't always assume that everything i see is paranormal...

Has there been anything you have seen so far that made you think maybe they caught the real thing? I'm talking about the show not your investigations. I sure you would debunk something to death before you would admit it was paranormal, LOL! I'm not trying to beat a dead horse just trying to get an answer.

The hand that grabs zak this past friday in the mental hospital...it does appear that the video was altered and we didnt really get to see a good shot of it for any length of time...

the board and flag pole moving at the riddle house..we're just expected to trust the GA team that it was paranormal?

all of the evidence from Slag. Never saw anything that was more than the GA's crew letting their fear get the best of them.

All of the audio they captured so far, evp or clear air audio, wasn't credible to me...

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Originally posted by miana:
wllstl...
As you well know not everyone is ever going to agree so why do you think that all of us that like show will like it for the same reasons?

And of course there will always be a person who is on the negative side of something. I'm glad most of your comments are not childish and usally contain some kind of advice. You represent the kind of negative person I don't mind as much. I just think it's funny that it bothers you so much yet you persist.

I don't expect everyone to automatically assume I am right or some kind of expert on the topic. HOWEVER, there has to be a "voice of reason" that has a counterpoint for all of the people who just blindly assume that what they are catching is truely paranormal.

I don't see it as being 'negative'. I could see your point if I were just throwing out comments like "zak's stupid" or "they suck". I try hard to make sure I back up my comments with some sort of proof or evidence.

I do not believe everything I see on GA is paranormal either. LOL, everything I run into on my own investigations I don't believe is paranormal either, and to do a proper investigation you have to return to the same place over and over again gathering data and information, you can't just go someplace one time get a couple of evp's, bangs, slams and whatever and say Oh, its haunted. It's takes time and persistence to uncover the truth.

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Originally posted by mysticshadow:
I do not believe everything I see on GA is paranormal either. LOL, everything I run into on my own investigations I don't believe is paranormal either, and to do a proper investigation you have to return to the same place over and over again gathering data and information, you can't just go someplace one time get a couple of evp's, bangs, slams and whatever and say Oh, its haunted. It's takes time and persistence to uncover the truth.

that doesn't make for good tv, dontcha know...

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that doesn't make for good tv, dontcha know...

LOL!!!

I think coming to these message boards, seriously trying to critique the show because YOU in the REAL world, do the things they are doing in totally different, scientific, controlled, credible, blah blah blah, ways, is just weird. It's like going to the As The World Turns message board and debating the situations that happen on a soap opera. This is TELEVISION people. Unless we are watching a straight up documentary on PBS, EVERY Reality TV Show has some untruths to it to make it more exciting, interesting, watchable, intriguing. EVERY show. That doesn't mean there won't be real things that happen, but unfortunately, I think the lines probably get blurred. This show is NOT a scientific freaking experiment- it's TV. Lights- camera- action. I watch it, I enjoy it, I try not to worry too much about what parts are real and what parts are not. People expect too much from these shows- just enjoy it for gods sake. Or not- whatever

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Originally posted by tattitoode:
I think coming to these message boards, seriously trying to critique the show because YOU in the REAL world, do the things they are doing in totally different, scientific, controlled, credible, blah blah blah, ways, is just weird. It's like going to the As The World Turns message board and debating the situations that happen on a soap opera. This is TELEVISION people. Unless we are watching a straight up documentary on PBS, EVERY Reality TV Show has some untruths to it to make it more exciting, interesting, watchable, intriguing. EVERY show. That doesn't mean there won't be real things that happen, but unfortunately, I think the lines probably get blurred. This show is NOT a scientific freaking experiment- it's TV. Lights- camera- action. I watch it, I enjoy it, I try not to worry too much about what parts are real and what parts are not. People expect too much from these shows- just enjoy it for gods sake. Or not- whatever

I totally agree with you to a point...

my only bone of contention is and has always been that....when they do things that are innacurate, I point them out...when they do things that make my eyebrow go up, I point them out...when they are disrespectful, I call them out...

and your opening comment about comparing GA to a soap opera makes me wonder...

do people even care if this is fake or not?

wllstl, will you please stop trolling the forums. You went from respectful skeptic to outright troll with this topic.

Why can't you just leave people alone and keep the irrelevant, off-topic personal opinions on other users to yourself, please? Thank you!

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Originally posted by the7thguy:
wllstl, will you please stop trolling the forums. You went from respectful skeptic to outright troll with this topic.

Why can't you just leave people alone and keep the irrelevant, off-topic personal opinions on other users to yourself, please? Thank you!

possibly you misread? I was actually agreeing with her...and was asking more of a rhetorical question about people in general...that question wasn't directed specifically at her...