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while shadow people are a wide known paranormal entity phenomenon , no one really knows for sure what they are or where they come from. i have never seen any solid evidence of this or even seen any folklore that clearly outlines this info for us. not even a solid concrete reasonable theory. until now.
im not sayin i suddenly had a revelation and know for sure exactly what they are. no. but i did come across an interesting expalination/theory in a book from my collection that i was reading thru the other day. its a model created by carl jung , a famous psychiatrist who once worked with sigmund freud but later seperated from him over some disputes in theories. jung's acknowledgement and expalination of shadow people is interesting from a psychological viewpoint , but also from a spiritual viewpoint when one considers what this could mean when applied to the spirit realm and its laws. i will type up the pages outlining that theory below. also note that the dispelling techniques in this book are all based on traditional folklore and not necessarily validated modern methods or scientific fact. book-"a field guide to demons , fairies , fallen angels , and other subversive spirits"- "a personal shadow rests in the depths of the unconscious of every person , ready and waiting to spring. according to carl jung's model , the shadow expresses a person's darker dimension , the inner demon , the part of thier personality one hides from the eyes of the world (and even from oneself). the shadow includes all those aspects of a person's nature that he believes unacceptable. the shadow lies at the threshold of the unknown. the unconscious shadow is repressed and hidden away like an unopened trunk sonewhere in a corner of a dark and forgotten room. but unlike a closed trunk , it can open by itself. if it does , it may take a form that will make irs human host feel that he has fallen prey to a possession species of invisible demon. it leaps out in this form , and projects itself onto another person: maybe a spouse or neighbor whom the host sees as exhibiting the demonic qualities of his/her own shadow. the stronger the control 'persona' (the mask worn for society) exerts over the individual , the more his true self hides repressed within his shadow , and the less he wants to encounter its existence. most commonly the shadow remains out of sight of the ego , but not entirely buried. it will spring forth in projections and also in dreams. in dreams people run down endless hallways , look into twisted mirrors , fight against oppressors (who are often only divided selves or 'polar twins' fighting a battle). often the psyche will present to dreamers archetypal images of shadow vampires , goblins , and hybrid animal-humans creatures. this is the psyche's way of saying that each individual shadow partakes of an essence of what humankind has collectively experienced as evil or demonic or destructive throughout history. the dramatic characters in dreams who appear as archetypal images like the devil often points to the magnitude of a problem as felt by the dreamer. it can also feel so impossible , for example , to deal with certain issues that they are imagined as demonic powers far beyond human control. in daily life , the shadow manufactures projections onto others. traits such as vindictiveness , jealousy , rudeness , competitiveness , that are seen in others are often mirror reflections of negative feelings so repressed in oneself that they are hidden from sight. to catch a glimpse of this 'powershadow' would be too painful , it would 'kill' the viewer , so he represses it , and placeshis devil 'out there' , just as dorian gray projected his shadow onto his famous , crumbling portrait.".... |
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Very interesting! Thanks for posting that. My dad's a psychiatrist and ooohhhh I remember he HATED Jung for whatever reason, LOL. Probably too spiritual for him.
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Sorry I screwed my post up. The quote bar didn't go down far enough. Let me redo this. If we follow this out I would say there has to be a "positive" shadow as well, so to speak. For everything there is a complete opposite. Light-dark. Right-left. Good-Evil. EVERYTHING has an opposite. This is the balance of the Universe. |
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lucygirl-
your dad's a psychiatrist? that pretty kool. tho you said he didnt like jung...so i imagine he wouldnt accept this shadow person theory as credible then? most doctors , scientists , and so on , look at such things from a purely physical world viewpoint and tend to not believe in the spiritual. everything has to have a physical world explaination only. i think they are makin a mistake in doing so. if they at least acknowledge the possibility the spiritual existrs and has an influence over this realm and life here they just might discover science and the spirit are not at odds with each other at all but rather are in perfect co-existence and harmony , each depending on the other for thier existence. the best evidence i have of this is the discovery channel show i saw several months back where my favorite scientist they have host thier shows was on there (i can never remember how to say his name right tho lol. he is japanese and i think his name is spelled dr. mihako , or something like that XD) and he was referring to a new discovery called string theory. string theory says there is not one universe but an infinite number of universes all connected in some way. they are shaped as strings and membranes (whenever i have refered in the past to a bubble universe or realm touching another bubble this is prolly the same thing) and each string/universe vibrates in its own frequency , making up a strange type of cosmic music. this could be why people who have a near death experience at the gates of "heaven" will hear music! also consider quantum physics. i am not a physicist but i have heard some very strange and interesting quantum physics discussed on the discovery channel before that make me stop and think. i think there is plenty of evidence that the spiritual things exist based on these things. the only problem is people too often look for any slight reason they can to dismiss it and claim only the physical exists. an example of why this is the wrong stand to take is this... lets say the ga team is investigating a huanted location. they happen to catch on audio the sounds of footsteps upstairs when no one is supposed to be there. they go look and no one is there but the footsteps stop before they reach the rtoom. they just cant prove beyond doubt the source of the sounds. critics may say its the floor settling or they faked it by having someone upstairs. just because these explainations are possible does not automatically mean thats what happened and it doesnt automaticxally mean the sound evidence is worthless. it is still valid evidence for no one was caught faking anything. they just need to keep trying till they find the holy grail of ghost hunting. |
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Ussula-yup! Now try to feel my sarcasm when I say, he was sooo much to grow up with, LMAO!!! Yes I know exactly the DR and show you're talking about, i love shows about space. Remember the show on super massive black holes? That was a good one too.
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When I first encountered my Marine shadow person that is all he was,Just a black shadow that would appear only during the day. But after 2 years of my communicating with him, he was able to grow strong enough to become a full body apparition for a few seconds. It took me several years to help this young find his wife and children. Now he is at rest.
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savannah-
when u first started to see the black shadowman did u feel afraid at all? did u feel uneasy and as if something was not right about it? not including peoples automatic fear response we typically have of the unknown and that we are taught to have of ghosts , but a genuine essence of something is wrong here. cuz if you didnt feel like that then im gonna say it wasnt a true shadow person. sounds like a regular kind of human ghost that maybe you saw as a shadow for any number of reasons. have you ever seen ghosts before this? maybe it just took your mind 2 years to let all the sensory info be percieved in a way that let you see the full body apparition finally. |
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Ussula, No I was not afraid. I have had many experiences with ghosts, shadow people since I was about 5 years old. I am now 84. I have never had a fear of the paranormal.
My grandmother had what we call in the South "the Sight" so I grew up with it. Savannahblue ...believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God 1John 4:1 |
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Jerry, I'm just wondering. Meaning, there's always the possibility that we have a double somewhere? An evil twin? (no, I'm not playing here.)
Ussula, Also, same thing. I'm just trying to visualize. Do you mean, (or the book) for example, in Savanah, when Nick was possessed. I didn't see it, but the shadow form they say left Nick? savanahblue, you remind me of someone. HUGS HUGS |
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no problem dreammaker.
what the book is referring to is the psychological model put forth by car jung concerning shadow people. i seems to be saying that there is a possibility that shadow people are our polar twins. our exact opposites. like an anti-us. just like there is matter and anti matter. coul be why they seem to be made of total darkness that we cant see thru or see any discernable features on. could be why they seem to be so evil and make s s uneasy. they are the side of ourselves we are afraid to acknowledge. all our pent up rage and negative emotions we repressed either for fear of consequences or fr not wanting to hurt someone. it became its own entity and seerated from us and projected out into the world. i think that if this theory is correct , then it must also be true that when they gain a life of thier own they are then free to explore this world from the ethereal side , manifesting visibly and physically from time to time , perhaps in a location once familiar to the original person or perhaps just becoming attracted to someplace new or even someone else. could be why some of them are seen with cowboy hats on. they could be the remnants of the dark side of cowboys and old west bandits. if you think about it this makes sense because shadow people can be seen in the shapes that suggestmany different time periods. ive even heard of some that appear to be classical wraithes. |
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carl jung*
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jerrytalbert
I have encountered shadow people and you are correct in saying there is a balance of good and evil {Yin Yang}. Dark shadows can be our appointed heavenly angels that are seen sometimes during daylight. There are also shadow people that are seen on several haunted locations and one location that comes to mind is Waverly Hills Sanitarium in Louisville, KY. Several sightings are reported there on a daily basis. They are seen during the daylight hours and are supposedly the spirits of the patients that were kept and died there. |
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savanahblue, you remind me of someone.
It is a small world me my have met somewhere. Are you from the Savannah area? Savannahblue ...believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God 1John 4:1 |
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ussula, I love your posts. I wish I was smart in answering a lot of them.
This one caught my attention, that I'd like to get into. I have also heard that they may be "forced" into this. *I'm not sure how else to put that.* savannahblue. I have been to savannah, and have gone on a ghost walk tour. I was just reminded of A Haunting in Georgia. HUGS |
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