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I’d like to take a moment to send my gratitude towards those who made Most Haunted Live possible. It’s relieving to be able to escape the feverent wars, job losses, forclosures, bank failures and stock market crashes that run rampant in our world today. And for those bloggers who choose to shun MHL for it’s content and supposed fraud should come to realize the how trite their attempts of criticising T.V. entertainment are. (Avoiding the issue of news programs) Television shows are for viewers, for escapism, and for money - not credibility. So if the world wants to believe ghosts, let them. There are far worse and insane beliefs being imprinted upon individuals today that should be questioned aside from restless spirits.
 
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Nobody said we didn't believe in ghosts. What we have a problem with is somebody pretending to contact ghosts.

If somebody wants to play games for entertainment. Fine. Do a haunted house.

Gettysburg is a special place. Sacred ground to many Americans. Not a place to be used for entertainment purposes
 
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Originally posted by mostdaunted:
I sincerely wish people would actually read what has been posted and not just what they want to read. Had you actually read the posts which criticized the show you would have seen the bulk of them were written by historians, Civil War re-enactors, persons working in the field of Parapsychology and Paranormal Investigation, teachers, descendants of men who fought and died at Gettysburg, Native Americans whose ancestry was of the area and residents of Gettysburg and Pennsylvania. You would also have been able to ascertain that most all of the shows critics stated the show was for entertainment and profit and was not an actual show about paranormal research. No one is objecting to watching the show as entertainment, because that is what it is.

Had you also taken time to actually read the criticisms you would have seen the objections were about the disrespect shown by the Most Haunted crew towards the people of Gettysburg and to those brave men who fought and died there. Gettysburg is a national Historic Site and hallowed ground both to Native Americans and Americans of European descent. I do not think it is entertainment, nor do I think it is acceptable, to call a man who died in battle a coward and ask if he is afraid of a woman. Not only did they show disrespect to the soldiers at Gettysburg they also showed an utter lack of respect for Native Americans. Their comments about the spirits of wolves were an insult to anyone of Native heritage.

Criticisms also focused on the misinformation and erroneous historical data being spewed forth by the hosts, the mediums, and the “historian.” There are people who believe the show is fact and for them to be told Jennie Wade was shot by a sniper named Terrence Jackson, form North Carolina, who was subsequently hunted down by a union soldier named Art and hanged on the bridge along with two others is an outrage. There are no records of anyone on the NC rolls named Terrence Jackson nor are there records of a lynching at the bridge.

Finally, the professional "ghost hunters" who posted criticisms addressed the methods used by the MH team. Parapsychology is a branch of Psychology and is a recognized science. It falls under the same research guidelines as any other science. True parapsychologists do not use oujii boards, or for that matter, mediums in doing their research. They conduct research using scientific equipment, they collect empirical data, they try to find logical explanations for phenomena and try to reproduce the phenomena and they publish reports. They do not run around cursing and screaming like a bunch of teenagers at a sleep over when they investigate the paranormal.

What the critics spoke of was an utter lack of respect for our history, our sacred lands, our heritage and the antics of the team in conducting research. No one said it was not for entertainment, and I personally enjoy shows such as this for escapism and entertainment. What I do not like is, I seem to not be alone in this, is when a group of foreigners come to our country and show an utter lack of regard and respect for all I have stated.

Before you criticize the critics in the future, I would suggest you actually take the time to see what it is they are criticizing. It is a shame too that you don’t because, by your post you seem to be an intelligent person. Too bad you are not using that gift.
 
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I don't see the what for with all the indignation.

Does the UK own Gettysburg? No
Do Brits own Gettysburg? No

Americans gave the Most Haunted Team permission to do the live show.

Gettysburg is a shrine to war for many.
To others it is a hallowed place where respect should be shown at all times.

If Americans want ALL ghost hunting in that area to be be stopped, then that is what should happened. Write your congresspersons.

I'm more disturbed by the fascination with the Civil War in this country than I am about a few British doing a ghost hunt, that, BTW, many Americans enjoyed.
 
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Very well put, Wouldbe. I had read a few posts, and read the ones that had posted in the thread I started on rudeness and had been thinking about what to say...and then I saw your post.

It has bothered me some of the remarks made against the British, and deep down in my heart I do not feel Yvette and the crew did us any disrespect at all. They only visited where they were permitted. And did what the owners would allow.

MH catches alot of flack by not being professional trained paranormal invetigators, but if you read the bio's, they never said they had training. And for that matter...the Ghost Hunters are plumbers do not have degrees, either.

But the rudeness and slams are even being posted to other members, which I think is wrong.

I think the "write your congressman" was right on! It is true, if the people of Gettybrugh didn't want MH there, they could have said no. But they did let them in, and even let them film interviews.

But at any rate, thank for a great post. And thanks Most Haunted for a great show!
 
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For all its fame as a battlefield, Gettysburg is still a small, depressed middle Pennsylvanian town dependent on tourism to survive. I'm sure many of the locals would rather live without the ghost tours, but it brings in money and what choice do they have? It's not illegal. I can't imagine on what grounds one would contact one's congressman and demand they put a stop to these things. Nobody's forcing the tourists to go on the ghost tours, and they do very well. I don't like them either - REALLY don't like them - because they take the focus off of the real importance of the land, the battle and what it meant to the American people, and turns Gettysburg into a Ghost Zoo. But legally I don't think there's any way you can stop it.
 
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I can understand the ghost hunts in Gettysburg for tourist revenue. Times are tough, and if it works, more power to them!

I come from a small town in NW PA, and that town has a festival every year to draw tourists based on Tom Mix...that town said for years he was from there...but he actually came from somewhere else.
 
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Very well put, Wouldbe. I had read a few posts, and read the ones that had posted in the thread I started on rudeness and had been thinking about what to say...and then I saw your post.

It has bothered me some of the remarks made against the British, and deep down in my heart I do not feel Yvette and the crew did us any disrespect at all. They only visited where they were permitted. And did what the owners would allow.

MH catches alot of flack by not being professional trained paranormal invetigators, but if you read the bio's, they never said they had training. And for that matter...the Ghost Hunters are plumbers do not have degrees, either.

But the rudeness and slams are even being posted to other members, which I think is wrong.

I think the "write your congressman" was right on! It is true, if the people of Gettybrugh didn't want MH there, they could have said no. But they did let them in, and even let them film interviews.

But at any rate, thank for a great post. And thanks Most Haunted for a great show!


So then calling a soldier who died in battle and asking if he is afraid of a woman shows respect? I guess then it would be OK for them to go the the WTC site and call the spirits of the firefighters and police officers who lost their lives there cowards as well by your thinking, since that would not show disrespect either. Making up history and claiming an innocent civilian was shot by a non-existent person who was later lynched in a non-existent lynching shows respect? (BTW, there was a second civilian casualty, an elderly man who had a heart attack when Confederate shells were bursting around his home near Cemetery Ridge.) Asking the spirit of the wolf, held sacred by native Americans, to talk to you in English shows respect?

No one said there should not be ghost hunts in Gettysburg, or anywhere for that matter. Everyone understands it is economics and living in a community that is soley dependent upon tourist trade I can fully understand that. We have people come here from all over the world to sit on our rocks and experience the vortexes. The majority of the critics are upset with the way this particular "investigation" was done and how the MH team made claims they were collecting "evidence" and making false historical claims. People believe this show is real and WILL believe that Jennie Wade was shot by someone named Terrence Jackson who was subsequently lynched by someone named Art. Does it show respect to go on international TV and tell people that?

Since you brought up GH and the T.A.P.S. crew, yes we know they are plumbers. But those of us who do work in Parapsychology have stated only that they are more realistic and professional in their investigations because they use many of the same recognized scientific methods for investigation that we do. But once again, someone chose not to read what was actually posted and only what they wanted to see posted, so you did not see this.

And while you're talking about rudeness and respect, what about all the posts by people supporting the show who said things to the show's critics like "Don't post here, you're not welcome," or "Don't be a prat," or "This board is for fans of the show?" What about people who post things like, "I am surprised how many unhappy people were forced to watch. My guess is that when they pass over, they will be on Most Haunted as the angry spirits?" Telling people they will become "angry spirits" in the afterlife seem s pretty rude to me. Before you die hard fans and supporters of the show point fingers and call other people rude, take a look at yourselves. After all you know what they say about people who live in glass houses.
 
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I'm more disturbed by the fascination with the Civil War in this country than I am about a few British doing a ghost hunt, that, BTW, many Americans enjoyed.


A fascination with an era which shaped our country and its current path is disturbing? A fascination with the history of our country is disturbing? A fascination of events which led to things like the Civil Rights Movement, the American Westward Expansion, and The Gilded Age and Industrial Revolution is disturbing? Maybe I should study Spongebob instead of history so as not to be disturbing to anyone.
 
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