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Hi all,
I'm a longtime Gettysburg buff and watched last night's show with a mixture of interest and dismay. I love Gburg and hate seeing it being turned into a 'ghost zoo', but that's beside the point of this post. Apparently, through the sceance, the team discovered that Jennie Wade's killer was a young soldier of 17 who shot her accidently and was then caught and hung by a lynch mob headed by a Union soldier named 'Art.' Dramatic, but unlikely. For one thing, Jennie was killed during a huge, messy battle, and no Union soldier is going to leave his post during an engagement to track down a single killer, no matter who the victim was. There just isn't time. For another, this wasn't an isolated death in a quiet town. There were hundreds of men shooting hundreds of guns when Jennie died, and because she died behind closed doors it's impossible that anyone saw it happen. You might see someone shoot, but unless it was at close range you couldn't see where the bullet went. And you wouldn't know it hit anybody until you were told, like Jennie's family told the soldiers, later when they asked for help moving her body. But not in time to track down a single shooter in a sea of shooters. It's impossible. For a third, Jennie's death is famous. Gettysburg is a highly documented battle. If Jennie's killer was found and hung, it would be part of history; there would be no reason to hush it up, or forget it. Since her killer was an enemy soldier, those who caught and hung him would be seen as heroes, not villains. Why hide the fact? Doesn't make sense. So, the sad story of Terrence is highly unlikely. Entertaining...but unlikely. |
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I totally agree with you, Sarah. There's no Terrence Jackson on the North Carolina rosters, either.
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The fact is that the Civil War was the first truly documented war. The Battle of Gettysburg, also very well documented. Historians pour over soldiers letters and notes of the most minute detail. That is why I LOVE going on the Battlewalks given for free by the NPS.
There is no way that anyone knew who fired the shot AND sadly, it is considered a casualty of war, not a murder. It is hard to picture in your mind what Baltimore Street was like that day, but it was total mayhem. The town was in ruin. The air was heavy with smoke making it difficult to see. Considering she was shot on the morning of the 3rd day, there was a lot going on...the Union line was concentrating as they prepared for battle, it was the day of "Picketts Charge"...although they did not know it at the time. When I saw that segment, I was embarassed for the psychic guy. It sounded so scripted and he looked like he was making it up. |
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I live in Gettysburg and have posted before. This live show is probably the last time I will ever watch or believe in Most Haunted. I am a living historian and have studied history most of my life. Gettysburg was already a carnival because of the ghost walks and the few greedy, arrogant and wealthy people who own the town and sell nothing but junk here, but this is the icing on the cake. Yes, there are ghosts here, yes, there are several at the Farnsworth House and probably at every house in town, but there wasn't much except acting in this MH. What did we see? I know, because I myself am at least as psychic as their so called medium Brian; I too have gone around an unseen body and have had many experiences everywhere on the field and in my own home, that there are ghosts here, but the only place in the Dobbin House that is haunted is the cellar, which they never even went to. Also, there is no way on earth anyone can pinpoint who shot the fatal bullet that went into Virginia Wade's body and killed her, lodging in her corset. I agree with Sarah on this one. It just might be possible that Georgia ia there and she probably is angry; she donated that house, which was not Virginia's by the way, to her sister's memory, not to be used by mediums for seances but to educate people about the personal side of war. The American medium had more luck; at least he got 'Jenny's" name right; it was 'Ginny" for Virginia; her name was not Jennifer. Just read Tillie Pierce's book; Ginny was not very well liked because she wss a real flirt. And this house, half of it, was rented by Georgia at the time; Ginny's home is on Breckinridge St.
As to the Farnsworth House, again they missed quite a bit. Why weren't they in the cellar? My husband managed the restuarant for a time and he knew their were ghosts in the cellar, just aa at the Dobbin House. Why? Because it was too darn dangerous upstairs!! Use your brains, people!! Also, every place in town MH went was only too happy to get all the publicity! Mondy is all they think about here; during the battle the people in this town charged the Union troops for water. And of course at any seance in the Wade house, there would be Union, not Confederate, if they are there at all, which I doubt. I know Ginny isn't there at all. Union soldiers were the ones who carried Ginny up the stairs and kicked the hole in the wall to the other side of the house; it is a duplex. Then they carried her to the basement. There is a story of Ginny's mother seeing her spirit released, but again that is secondhand info and we will never know. Convenient, isn't it? Men fought and died here, some very horribly, and the people of this town are making fortunes out of it. There are <count them> 28 B&B's here, and 5 new hotels have been built in the last 3 years. Money, money, money. I did walk to the Farnsworth House with a note for Yvette while they were at the Wade House and gave it to a security guard. I don't have a cell phone. I simple suggested they try the basement of the Dobbin House and told her of a vision I had had several years back at the Farnsworth House, which their psychics hadn't even picked up on. But of course she never got it. But for anyone who wants to know, her acting credentials are listen in her bio; she is really quite good at it. So how much do you really believe? Bess |
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Bess, I think the 'historian' was set up in the cellar of the Farnsworth House, and that's why they didn't do any investigating down there. Why, with all the fantastic local historians, MH used theirs who know almost nothing about the battle, I have no idea. The real historians were probably watching and grinding their teeth!!
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I semi agree with Bess on some of her points. Yes it would have been nice if Gettysburg could have been left exactly as it was during the battle but some "progress" had to be expected. All things considered. Gettysburg is still in a lot better shape than other historical locations.
We did the "Freedom Trail" through downtown Boston. Very disappointed. I expceted something like Williamsburg in middle of town. Far from it. Half dozen sites scattered throughout town surrounded by 20-30-40 story buildings. North Church is in such a tight spot you can't even get a decent picture of it. To get people to Gettysburg you needed lodging. Would have been nice to have it all on outskirts of town but I guess they had to go with what was available. The in town motels are handy. It is nice to just walk out your door and be short walk to historical sites vs driving everywhere. Yes the souvineer shops are a joke. Same imported junk you find at any tourist location. Only difference is instead of shot glasses painted with dolphins and palm trees you have faces of Civil War generals. Could do with less of those. I would have to defend the ghost tours. In their own bizarre way they are as much educational as commercial entertainment. They tell the story of individual soldiers or smaller groups vs the larger scale stories of the battle. People get a better visual of the violence, pain and suffering that occured during those three days and weeks afterward. |
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I agree with Bess on the locations. I do not live in Gettysburg but visit often. The only part of the Dobbin House I ever felt anything in is the Springhouse Tavern downstairs. Also in the Farnsworth House, where the so called "historian" was seated, I felt the most evil of entities - actually a very dark presence. I felt it in the area behind where she was seated. I don;t know how the so called "psychic" could be in that house and not feel that presence even upstairs. I had a very freightning experience in the Farnsworth House and will not go near it.
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Way to go Bess! I was getting tired of Yvette referring to her at "Jenny".I even spent the $.99 to text them a message to tell Yvette refer to her as Ginny. But that never got anywhere. If they wanted to do this "right" they should have brought in a non-American medium who had little or no knowledge of our Civil War. Patrick seemed nice enough but I don't see how he could have not been familiar with what took place there. Besides, after he got in the house he suddenly knew that Ginny's sister was there and it didn't appear to be by way of a conveyance from the "beyond". And who is this Corporal Johnston that historian was telling them to ask Ginny about?  |
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I just wanted to say thank you all for posting on this topic. I have watched MH on numerous occassions and my thought has been the same each time, with this last one having no change on the way I feel. Its all for ratings, that is completely it. I actually DVR'd it and I must say that I continue to find more and more things that dont make sense. I am a LTC in the US Army and have actually taught US military war history at the Academy. Its a shame that they dont do their homework a little better before going on national television. So, with that being said, bear with me while I go through the list...(which isnt a full list haha):
1) I know they are British, etc, but even most Brits can act better than this. 2) The age of Miss Wade's "killer", and I use that term loosely b/c she was a casualty of war, is unknown and never will be known. You will have many of people claiming to have done it and dont forget the fact the US military has always covered up things from its inception. 3) Terrence or Michael, etc never were in the house across from the Wade house. For one, there is no record of a Terrence even at the battle of Gettysburg. 4) Ive been studying history, mainly US Civil War history for over 20 yrs....Im only 31, however, I do think of myself as very knowledgeable as I have been to Gettysburg and other sites numerous times. And for a group of Brits to come over and be on national tv and tell people the stuff they were saying, makes me sick, to be honest. I think I will stop here. Again, bravo guys for standing up for what you know. If any of you want to talk I would be honoured to do so. |
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I agree with Sarah completely. It's insane to believe that they would have found and murdered Ginny's killer. It would have been more believeable if the team said "Art" was the soldier who helped carry Ginny's body to the basement.
Also, I don't know if this has been brought up but: I've bben to Gettysburg a number of time, and I've been in The Farnsworth house a few times. if you look out the window in the attic that Ginny was supposedly shot from, you can see that there is no possible way that is tru. The angle is impossible. The Team mentioned something about communicating with the soldier who shot Ginny from that attic, but my guess is they just believed whatever the Farnsworth House staff told them. |
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Johnston "Jack" Hastings Skelly, Jr was Ginny Wade's fiance or lover. |
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Corporal Johnston was Ginny's sweetheart. He died in battle a few days before Ginny was killed. There's this whole story about how he gave some message to his friend to give to Ginny because he knew he was dying. The friend, who was actually a Culp (owner of "Culp's Hill" in Gettysburg) I believe, ended up dying at Gettysburg on the land that his family owned, so the message never got to Ginny. It never would have, though, since Ginny was already dead. How anyone even knew about the message, I don't know. Maybe it's not true. But it's actually a pretty interesting story-you should look it up.
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Thanks.  I already knew she was involved with Jack Skelly. When the historian mentioned "Corporal Johnston" it threw me off. I thought that for all these years Ginny had been holding out on us! LOL |
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Thanks. I'm familiar with that story. That young man's name was Wesley Culp. Yes, he died during the battle on land that was owned by his family. The whereabouts of his remains are not known, however, since most of the Confederate dead received field burials. |
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Most interesting! I had been wondering that myself. Initial reports indicated that she was accidentally shot by a Union soldier. This is how it was first reported in the Adams Sentinel in July 1863. There was also an AAR written by a Union officer that mentioned Ginny was shot by one of "our own". How that suddenly became a Confederate soldier I don't know. It's easy to go ahead and blame the "other guys", I guess.  With the current (lack of) documentation, it's difficult to prove exactly where that bullet came from.
I agree 100%. It's nice to hear it from someone who's looked out that attic window. Standing in front of the kitchen door it also looks like an impossible angle. So does the Rupp House Tannery site, which has always been another suspected location. Don't you all wish that cotton pickin' Holiday Inn was not in the way? |
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