This is just my opinion. I do feel everyone is entitiled to say what they feel, but sometimes I feel comments are just blatantly rude.

You can make a valid point by saying, "I liked it when they did this..." or " I didn't like it when this happened...."

But all this stuff about taping mouths , and go home! stuff...is just plain rude.

If you don't like what you see, don't watch. I am surprised how many unhappy people were forced to watch. My guess is that when they pass over, they will be on Most Haunted as the angry spirits.

There are also alot of comparisions between Taps and Most Haunted. Both have firsts to claim. Taps was around first, but Most Haunted was on the air first. And although both shows are about hunting ghosts, they are both different. You really can't compare the two together. Taps does things one way, MH does it another. It would be like going to Tiffany's and expecting Walmart. They are both stores, but different kinds of stores.

Both shows tend to use theatrics. Mh sometimes in the history and explaining of the place they are investigating, and Gh is showing promo clips of the show making you think one thing, but then it is another. Example: they show the crew ducking and screaming as if under paranormal attack in the opening, but later we find out Grant and Jason sent the team into a bat infested hallway as a joke.

Hunting ghosts really doesn't have a set guideline. So how you could say this team doesn't hunt like that team and it isn't correct unless they do it this way is really not a fair assesment for either team.

Both shows have YouTube posts claiming they are fake. In my opinion, look at the videos and determine for yourself. Don't be influnced by the titles. THINK FOR YOURSELF

I used to like GH until I got hooked on MH and I heard the interview between Taps and Yvette. This is just my opinion. I did not like what I heard, and I sold my DVD's of GH and now just watch MH. But that was just me. I suggest listening and deciding for yourself.

But, in closing, I honestly do not feel being rude and posting terrible remarks is very cool. A person can repectfully disagree or express thoughts without being insulting or degrading.

And, I AM looking forward to the new USA Most Haunted beginning in December! Yay Yvette!

Not meaning to sound rude. But I doubt if I'll waste anymore time watching MH. I didn't make it through all of last nights show.
I'm a big Civil War/ Gettysburg buff and when I saw this show adverised I couldn't wait to see it.
Big disappointment. Nothing like I expected. Was like watching Nancy Grace going on and on about some crime story.

To all of the MH team/family, especially Yvette,

I really appreciate all of you, and I want you to know that. Several years ago with the accusations regarding the psychic medium before David (forgetting his name), well, I didn't know what to think...and I just hoped that it was either not true or or isolated to him. I have been a real fan of GH (TAPS), and I still am...but...about 4 months ago they were at The Distillery in CA and ran across some "atmospheric rigging" that the owners always have up for those who come in and want to have some laughs because they know of the hauntings. Everyone knows those riggings are there--in the least you'd think that the TAPS team would be notified beforehand, and apparantly they were not (I do believe them on that account). It really took up a lot of investigation time unraveling taped voices when you open the washroom door and such, and it did take away from the mentality you need to do a good investigation. Well, TAPS fans became livid and began verbally attacking The Distillery, accusing them and accusing any paranormal groups having found stuff there previously of faking, etc. It was a real mess, and the finger pointing has already been too huge a problem between PI groups here in America...as I'm sure you know and as I'm sure you are glad you don't have to deal with! Well, I became disappointed in Jason and Grant, not as people, but in how they directed their fans--let me explain. They have an almost cult following, and they relied upon just one message to their fans on the different message boards to stop attacking The Distillery, etc. The attacks continued, and as much as it is not their job to handle that, it kind of is...people listen to Jason and Grant, and further accusations had crept in and it seemed as if they just said to themselves, "well, we posted that one thing..." and left any further responsibility to direct their fans at that. What am I trying to say??? Well...

It made me begin watching MH again more, and I was able to reconcile my fears of any "faking"...it just didn't ring true for you guys, especially since that psychic medium was no longer on the show (and yet I've been able to reconcile with him, also, and feel he's very gifted and some "things" happened that just need to be put in the past). So, anyway, I wanted to say all of this to tell you that not only have I fallen in love with the show all over again (so thank you for your hard work to produce and air it), but I've fallen in love with all of you guys once again. You're really such a sweet bunch (although you swear like drunk sailors like the best of them!) , and a very sincere bunch...and that leads me to Yvette...

Yvette...I want you to know how special you are to your fans and to the world. You're an amazing presenter and "personality" that the world has come to identify with on a personal and friend level. When you were alone in the woods during this MHL Gettysburg, and you said "if 'such n such' happens I'm going to die of fright...I will just have a heart attack and I will be dead...which some of you might not mind..." it made me VERY sad. You're a sweetheart, Yvette, and someone that I really enjoy the work of, and feel you as friend not just person on the TV...so please do not ever say such things about yourself like that again...I'm sure you were joking, but if anyone did want that, we'd all go and save you from them!

Also, Wow, the show was absolutely amazing last night you guys. Yvette, also, try to not worry so much before going live...not every time and place can produce paranormal activity, and did you know that is actually OK with those of us PIs and Paranormal "junkies"? It's just how it is, and even if you guys found NOTHING (which happens a LOT to me even if it's a location I HAVE experienced things in), we'd still have an awesome time watching all of you looking for it and experiencing the fear of "are we going to find something?" So, relax with that...we'd still love the show even if the ghosts didn't come out on their cues...which they never do! (Those nasty ghosts!)

Can I also say...wow...to have such a personal experience talking to Jenny last night. EVERY time (and I'm not psychic, just...something...not sure what it's called) before it would be her talking to you guys again, I'd all of a sudden get unafraid again and feel very "at home" and cozy in the house. She's a very warm and gentle person, or so it seems. I'd really like to followup with the historic guild in Pennsylvania to try and get her reburied at her home, in the garden...which of course is not the home you were in last night...but I'd assume close by?

So, well done MH friends! CAN'T wait for more shows, and just know my love and thoughts are with you all...

Now get some rest after staying up all night, and have safe travels back to the U.K. (Where WE might be wanting to move if this America votes in McCain and the country really goest to pot...my ancestors came from England for a reason, but this current government was not that reason!)

Blessings,
Erika
Redondo Beach (L.A.), California
P.S. between 12:30 AM and 1:00 AM on web cam 8 there is a very large black shape-shifting mass that you CAN'T miss...I'll watch the cams again today at 4 PM ET and get a specific time for you guys. I usually can right click during a night vision cam and capture an individual picture, but for some reason it is not working for me to do that on these...so I'll just get you the specific time...or try...

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Just my opinion, but "Most Haunted" has more spirit activity than "Ghost Hunters."
But then, MH has those aggravating and rude bleeps.
GH is into a lot of reruns so the tiresome oh so tiresome give it a rest complaining about Brian that is a near match for the MH bleeping.

GH is a learning show
MH is a participation show WHEN, they keep their mouths shut and the camera steady.
Watching MH can cause nausea the camera moves around so much just when something good happens.



If anyone is wondering why MH team members are attacked more than the GH teams, then think about those near constant bleeps if you were a ghost.
lol

You know my husband and I watched last night. It was the second MH live that we had watched. I really enjoyed it. I have also been reading alot of the posts this morning and I agree that no one forced any one to watch last night. We stayed up until they had Yvette by herself. We also watched the webcams and saw alot of things in the cams. I really do enjoy these shows and it really dissapoints me that so many people can be so negative. I mean I think that if you don't like something then say that but don't be so demeaning and rude. I personally wish they would talk a little less but I think that it was a good show and I it did spook me a little. I think that the MH crew does a wonderful job and I like that they have a historian researching the stories of the places they visit. I love hearing the history and watching them react to what happens. So I want to tell the MH team to continue on with your good work and we will at least keep watching and rooting you on!!!

If I'm not mistaken. This IS a discussion board. If everybody agreed about the production of the show it would be a pretty boring board and you would only see about half as many responses.

I'd rethink the "If you don't like it, don't watch it" comments. Could lead to cancellation of the whole MH series.

Travel Channel advertised this show for a month. The more people watching. The bigger the ratings. They pulled in a lot of first time viewers with this one but doesn't look good for a repeat.

Next big MH event they put together won't bring in half the viewers this one did. I doubt if I'll ever watch MH again. From reading all the responses I don't think I'm alone in that.

How long will they continue a show with bad ratings?

it is very upsetting to hear people constantly saying how Mh is fake and that TAPS genuine. in my opinion both are TV shows and at the end of the day they are meant to entertain.

Personally i don find Taps harder to belive simply in the shear number of ghosts that have been caught on film. if it was that easy then im sure Mh would have caught a fair just just by the fact of the locations. but then i don't judge the show as there is simply no way to know any of it for sure. Grant and jason's profesionalism was howver brought under considerable doubt during the Yvette interview. the fact that they hid behind the fans to try and ridicule Yvette and MH was absolutly discraceful. becuase of this and my lack of repect for them, that i have more questions regarding their show.

at the nd of the day if yu don't like something then don't watch it. or if you do express your views in a respectful manar and say what you would like to see change.

Thanks for doing the Live show from Gettysburg. It was an eventful night with lots of activity...just what one would expect from a place like Gettysburg. It was fun to watch on TV, knowing everything was happening right then, and being able to interact with others on your computer at the same time. It was not necessarily enjoyable to read what everyone was posting, but that is pretty much the same with life...you may not agree with everyone around you, but you do have to learn to live with it. I personally was amazed as to how many spent their evening bashing something they obviously did not like watching...but I guess that would be a sign of unhappiness...making fun of others, and enjoying it. I am looking forward to the December Live shows from the US!!!!!

Just a reminder that you can always report a post if you think another user is being abusive or insulting. To do this, click the triangle with the exclamation point in the bottom right of the post.
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Originally posted by wouldbe:
Just my opinion, but "Most Haunted" has more spirit activity than "Ghost Hunters."
But then, MH has those aggravating and rude bleeps.
GH is into a lot of reruns so the tiresome oh so tiresome give it a rest complaining about Brian that is a near match for the MH bleeping.

GH is a learning show
MH is a participation show WHEN, they keep their mouths shut and the camera steady.
Watching MH can cause nausea the camera moves around so much just when something good happens.

If anyone is wondering why MH team members are attacked more than the GH teams, then think about those near constant bleeps if you were a ghost.
lol

This is such an old arguement (MH vs. GH), it's almost the keystone (besides the MH is fake).

After leaving this forum for a year, I can see nothing has really changed... except the members. It looks like nearly all of the 'old crew' has departed... and, I'd presume because they finally realized that MH is fake... but more importantly, how and why they finally figured it out.

First... read back thru the archives of this MH board... where the authors bother to cite their points, read them... look for commonalities.

MH and Queen Yvie, and King Karl aren;t in the paranormal research business... not at all. They are in the 'promotion' business. Their product base is a TV show called "Most Haunted", which is still somewhat successful... but not because it's authentic... but rather, because there are so many people who 'want to believe', and people want a good scare, perceived excitement, and Y & K really do have it together as far as marketing their product(s). Why, the cellphone texting and downloads alone are bringing-in millions. T-shirts and other junk, as well as the stuff they sell on each of their websites... loads-O-money! And, of course, the money for selling and doing the shows.

If you want to judge it for yourself... not quite sure... have doubts... or even if you're a die-hard fan... there are some very basic, easy to understand and spot points which will make sense of all of their nonsense.

1. Look back thru all of the shows... from the 'old days', to the present. Note that you'll never, ever actually 'see' anything 'paranormal'... no apparitions (full, partial, or otherwise).

2. Of things you do see... they are all things associated with someone (either in the frame, or not) touching or throwing objects. From table-tipping to flying stones, non of it will happen unless or until someone is there to 'help' it along. The only thing 'real', is their 'good word'. (yeah... right).

3. The better part of every show (and by 'better', I don't mean good... I mean 'most') is nothing more than Yvie saying "What's that"... Kath (the make-up/hairdresser who serves only one purpose- to serve as another individual facet for people to relate with), who is always so scared, she'll never do anything like this again (until the next show)(where she'll never do it again, again)... and Stu (the 'poster-boy' for the spiritually-battered, and perpetually scared shhh-witless), who's job it is to get abused in the dark. Yes... they all have their 'roles to play'. It's so obvious, it's obvious. Especially, if you watch several shows, back-to-back (even including shows from years ago... it's always the same ol' thing). Actually, it is almost as if every show has to follow a basic script... "Ok... now this is the part where Stu gets socked in the eye and humped by a collie"..."... and Kath... get ready... I'm gonna sneek-up behind you and give you a poke... look really startled and scared... and Yvie... you drop the rock right after that".

People often say they find MH more 'entertaining' than GH... that it's spookier. Well, they are in the business of 'entertaining'. TAPS were paranormal researchers years before MH was on the air. They were offered the "Ghost Hunters" show idea by a producer, and the production company is not owned by anyone affiliated with TAPS.

GH's don't try to make 'something out of nothing'... which, if you've ever done any paranormal research work, you'd know that most of the time, nothing happens at all. Active locations, with tangible and documentable occurences are few and far between. GH's just shows you what they got... they don't manufacture anything (unlike MH).

Conversly, MH would have you believe that every show has lots of (so called) evidence, which (on it's very best days) is nothing more than what falls in the 'personal experiences' catagory... (that is, IF you really believe them).

The problem is... they've got it down to a fine-art... this having every location they go to, being haunted. If something happens... great! If not, they make it happen anyway. Karl has very definite ideas regarding whether they have enough 'useable' material, or not, for each show. Sure... every good producer is keeping track of that... but, these guys not only make it up, but they 'fake it up' and call it evidence, and would have the viewers 'think' it's all real.

MH had it made for the first few years when Derek was on board. He took a lot of the pressure off Karl, and would 'act' his way through each and every episode. And, if you watched carefully, you could spot and catch Derek in his lies. Finally, due to this same shhh-stuff, MH found themselfve having to distance themselves from Derek, in hopes of salvaging what little credibility thay may have still had, with the 8-10 year-olds.
And then, there's Ciran... ooopse- 'Doctor' Ciran. (looks like he got a chance to squeeze-in a couple of extra credits to get his doctorate)(or was that over the internet?). Anyway- Doc C is supposed to be the 'token' skeptic... to reassure the viewers that all of this is on the level. He is just the last or latest of a longer list of skeptics on the payroll... and, there was a time when he seemed to be uncomfortable with risking his reputation in this venture. We'd probably know more, except that everyone (cast and crew) are signed to contracts which don't allow them to give away any 'trade secrets'. The only thing they can talk about are things that have been approved by King Karl and Queen Yvie. And those contracts include 'ex'-employees. They can be sued if they ever reveal anything concerning the show... especially, the inner workings.
So, why so secretive?... unless there's something to hide. TAPS/GH's has no such contracts. Why not?... 'Cause they are just researchers, and only interested in what they actually witness, experience, and catch as real and honest scientific evidence. They start off trying to find 'normal' explainations for the 'claims' people make. If they were the least bit interested in 'beefing it up', they surely would have in each and every episode. But they don't. In fact, there's been several times that the people at certain locations were suspected of trying to fool TAPS by manufacturing, or tampering with evidence... like on the Queen Mary. And then, there's the outright fakers, like (the un-named) rest/bar on the cliffs overlooking the Pacific, where the owners (and likely the manager, too) used devices to generate effects... like producing images in the restroom mirros, making the lamps over the bar move, audio playback of 'sounds', and all sorts of 'fun-house' gadgets to produce desired effects. GH's found the stuff almost immediately, and confronted the manager.
So, yeah... those who know no better will likely be 'entertained' by MH... that is, until it becomes just too obvious... then, they just quit watching. But, fortunately for MH, there's always a new crop of gullible and naive people to fill the vacuum.
At least, with GH... when they find something, it's real... and if it impresses them, than it must be something worthwhile... like the St. Augustine Lighthouse, and Tombstone's "The Birdcage Theater".

And about the first statement... about 'those beeps being rude'. If MH cared, they would just keep it clean. Professionals do it all the time. But- everyone slips, from time to time.

The thing is... I kinda think they decided, a long time ago, the they wanted to use this to their advantage... to make it seem more realistic... like they ghost hunt all the time... but this time, they were so scared, they cussed their way out of the place while running. Plus, they know full well that their cussing will be edited... and sometimes, this can help to cover-up sounds they may not want the viewers to hear (and I don't mean cussing). There's also the possibility that what's allowed over the air in the UK, is not so restrictive as in the USA... and- I would not be at all surprised to learn that The Travel Channel may do some addtional bleeping, to get the show up to US specs. In any case, that 1-k sinewave gets a workout with every installment of MH... that is... except for the LIVE shows. Have you ever noticed how little 'bleeps' there are on the live shows? I kinda wonder how live, the live shows really are. How interactive are they really? We all 'assume' that the so called 'live' webcam feeds are live... but why? They read and/or show messages from 'viewers', which are supposed to be live. I'm sure that some of you will say "I've been there when they did XYZ- LIVE... and I was there, and saw them. Ok... just wondering... what, if anything, did you see being shot LIVE, and was able to see it later, recorded or whatever? Or was it a case where you saw them at a location... maybe standing around... entering, or leaving... but not actually during the live-shoot...? I don't actually know either way. But- if they wanted to... if ther was a reason to... they could easily prerecord segments, or even, the entire show, well in advance... minutes, hours, days, or weeks. Then, just add in viewer comments. I don't know that... but this is exactly why people/shows shouldn't try to 'fake' stuff... because once you've been caught in a lie, your credibility is blown, and sometimes, people start to suspect your lieing about stuff that IS real... the whole "Boy who cried 'wolf'" thing.

Morbiuous001,

Your post is kind of old as well.

MH isn't a learning show. I think most reasonable people know know that.

Its a show about people going to a location that aren't experts in the paranormal field. Its a kind of you are there style.

Psychics are brought along for effect, and are to go along with the program.

They aren't there to give evidence.

They aren't there to convince anyone of anything other than they are there doing their job for the entertainment Audience.

If GH was so professional into hard core evidence, then they wouldn't have pounded the Brian doesn't behave theme into the ground. They would have used that time to educate about matters that focus on the paranormal.

Every show has there own style.

In the end, they are all for entertainment purposes.

should be........their own style.

And, forum posters change in waves. Very few if any boards stay the same
That is the normal way boards, forums operate.

Isn't 'a learning show'... ummm no, this is not The Discovery Channel... and no one has implied that.
Is just that MH implies in each and every show that everything they show the viewer, is 'real', and they use the word 'evidence' regularly.

Brian, of TAPS, was a long-time friend of several members (apart from TAPS). What is shown on GH is partly determined by the production company... and- since paranormal activity cannot be scheduled to happen while they are there, they are sometimes left with empty spots which have to be filled with something. Some people dislike Brian, some don't (as with anyone on TV). He (evidently) went thru a bad time in his personal life, and made some 'not so good' choices (as we all have). And since he was such good and long friends with the group... and, since he was the AV-tech of the group... and he decided to leave the group, the show used part of the time to kind of explain to fans and viewers 'why' he decided to leave, and why suddenly, Steve was now the head of AV.
As most know, Brian (like him or hate him) finally severed his problem relationship, and wanted to come back. And since then, was offered (and accepted) the position on GHI, which, as you know, is the international version of the show, but still affiliated with TAPS. (Hey- I don't care for 'some' of the personalities... and some of their methods. But then, it's not my group or my call).

Back to MH... I don't see how you can watch MH over the years, since the beginning, and say that MH is NOT trying to convince people everything they do is real. It is implied, or even said, in every show... since the very beginning.

You're defending MH right now... just as so many have in the past. Probably 95% of those, at first believed in MH... and slowly, over the years, started to realize exactly the points I made above. They don't quit watching the show if they LOVE it... they quit watching because they begin to realize the lies and the same old tired, scripted, fake shows, where everything is based on 'their good word', and nothing factual is presented whatsoever.

I was initially, a 'fan'... and suggested that all of the naysayers give MH the benefit of the doubt... that, "how can you know, if you're not there yourself?"... yet, slowly... over time... I noticed how every show was basically the same... they never actually showed ANYTHING that could be considered 'evidence' of what they were claiming... EVER!... and in fact, there were several episodes, where they were caught rehanded... (if you recorded and played-back the particular scenes, frame-by-frame, you could see what they did... with no arguement from even the biggest fan.

If what I'm saying is not true... then where are all of the MH die-hard fans from 2, 3, 4, or 5 or more years ago, huh? They are no longer here. Why not? I wondered that. So I searched the last few postings from people here that I remember were so 'pro' MH, and BIG MH fans... and they ALL said the same thing.... that they too, have finally been convinced of MH's trickery, and fakeness... and that knowing that they set-up all of this stuff under the premiss of being true and factual, is insulting at best, and it ruined the fun of watching.

Read the archives... you'll see. You may think I'm wrong about my opinion of the show... but is everyone (of all of the older, long-tern previous fans)??? I think not.

Just do this... if you have recording capabilities... record 5 MH episodes, then watch them all, back-to-back... watch carefully, and take notes of what happens to whom... what each one does in each episode. You'll see the pattern. It's not just me saying this. I was fair with MH. But the truth is... Queen Yvie and King Karl see the MH fans as suckers.

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Hunting ghosts really doesn't have a set guideline. So how you could say this team doesn't hunt like that team and it isn't correct unless they do it this way is really not a fair assesment for either team.

Actually Gothicnatec, there are set guidelines for true paranormal research and investigation. Parapsychology is a science and as such certain procedures and formats are followed.

Maybe he meant to say "timeline". You can't know or plan ahead of time when and where you will "get a hit".

Walking into a room and thirty seconds later you start hearing "yes and no" knocks. Hard to believe.

Same thing in several locations in the same night.....Very hard to believe.